pleased Dear Willy,
Thank you for your future post from 04/27/2009 and ask for forgiveness, that I only now my "ping" on this "Pong" send. The reason is partly in the very difficult personal circumstances, in which I have found me and we were discussing on the occasion of your visit. Now there is something free and I find the leisure to answer you. In addition, I am currently in a hotel in an equally insipid insipid city in the U.S.; double bottom, with something stimulating to deal with!
My personal circumstances are just one factor for the late reply. At least as responsible for the fact that you me to stay in our table tennis language, a fairly sharp bleed ball have served. But that's part of the attraction of our game, 'We have decided from the beginning that we do not pay braves scientific "retired game" where we would always try not to go to our borders as possible. We want to take risk, and your last ball is white is not all a brave back-and-Zurückgeschupse with regard to the common doctrines. Good, so it should also ! Go
As with many difficult balls in the Ping-Pong you have to jump back a few steps to accept it and perhaps even more successfully to bring to the table. This is another reason for my delayed response. What should be on an all-round positive and profound statement of self-organization to answer, without taking into generalities excuse?
Here is my attempt, and I would like to try the two of you brought into play arguments: the development by dissipation and diversity as the basis of evolution.
You write very neatly and clearly about the process of dissipation and the paramount role of water in our Life system, as the main medium plays this dissipation of energy pulses. This argument I would like to take up a bit and continue.
The great and wonderful "trick" of nature is its ability to build structures from energy pulses. You described it so beautifully and vividly. But what I want to stress especially from your description is the fact that the dissipation must be in a much broader spectrum of interactions going on than the original pulse. Our nature is full of good examples for this, from the mechanical movement of air, driven by the information received by the solar radiation over the issue that you mobilize of water by evaporation, the coming raining and the induced mechanical movement of water from the mountain into the valley and on into the sea, where this cycle can begin anew. Our life process itself is an example of where to build the solar radiation chemical and biochemical reactions of organic substances of maximum complexity, which can be a part formed structures (all our animals) and on the other hand, exchanged between living things in a constant cycle of birth and death and again becoming. All this is of course very simply, you will surely deliver the deeper science in a "Pong".
the point I am out of here, however, dissipation that "up to transform" the original quality of the interaction process that could be exchanged, leading to interactions in a much more highly organized systems.
I want to run a little. We know that energy itself is a structured interaction. The radiation we receive from our parent star, is structured, no matter whether we are thinking in waves (ie, spatially and temporally structured fields) or quantized particles. The exchange of energy between us and the sun is driven by the potential difference in terms of heat radiation, thus the different temperature between the Earth and sun.
We also know that matter is nothing more than very highly structured energy is (anything else would our popular Mr. Einstein rotate in his grave). What Dissipation now accomplishes is that triggered by a pulse of an exchange of size (eg, the comparatively very little structured solar radiation) processes in a system with a much higher degree of order (such as the air or the water cycle, which indeed must know, clearly the matter be assigned to) be.
far, everybody will say: "Of course, what Repeat this simple knowledge of what a commonplace". The interesting thing is that these operations obey suddenly other potential systems. The water that down the mountain roars, cares not a jot about temperature differences! It follows the potential difference between up and down, the space provides a rugged surface. The tiger that tears a buffalo cares not about the temperature difference between him and his prey! Those operations are quite different potentials are responsible potentials between much more highly organized systems in comparison to that, its pulse that triggered the whole thing.
I go a step further. Where did all these potentials are used in the systems of higher order? If there were the valleys without the constant tooth of the water by the sun pulse time and again evaporated and rains? If there were the buffalo or the tiger without the dissipation of solar radiation by living systems, which are the food chain for the buffalo? The interesting answer is probably that dissipation is not only the motor tasks in ever more structured systems, but form that dissipation by more and more and more structured systems. The secret "trick" for this process is that it is not only a much larger range of potentials for dissipating uses when she finds the basic pulse, but that it will further potential itself forms in which they developed more organized structures, which again much more structured exchange sizes mobilize. One could "Formulate dissipative basic tenet of self-organization" therefore one: A self-organizing system is the more efficient the larger the range of its available potential, and it is more successful, the faster it will generate new, more sophisticated systems, thereby expanding the range of its dissipative potential.
After this a bit like ex-Catedra "smelly proposition LAID for the second point of my response: diversity as the basis of evolution. The following is actually quite logically from the previously projected. Variety of structures also means diversity of possible exchange of sizes. Structures are always the mirror of their possible interactions with their Contemporary world, which include the exchange processes are all "equal and lower" levels. Everyone can connect both in an intensive, intellectually high talk with his peers and a stone across the water of a lake or jump can connect with a hot water bottle to heat exchange. Structures and their possible "Dissipationsebenen" are thus two-way mirror!
Here come the "Out of evolution" into play. Every time, new combinations of these exchange levels, strengthen the interactions on these "new" Dissipationsebenen to whenever there is an evolutionary leap, new systems and thus new Exchange levels and Dissipationspotentiale.
An example from the history of mankind is to illustrate this: Many thousands of years man entered a new, qualitatively different mode of interaction with nature. By hardening the confrontation with the surrounding plants (which he had previously collected), created by new ideas and technologies from self-reflection within the human society, was agriculture. Suddenly a whole new "Dissipationsebene introduced, the exchange of goods across the pure family associations also. Consequently, emergence of new structures such as cities and empires, on whose level, with rules for the dissipation could. New potential (economic and social potentials) were formed and subsequently the world.
I think that we should also address in our other "Future Post-Dissipationsvorgängen" the interesting question of how the the "Out of evolution," now come about. I know here is no general answer, but some elements are already clear. On the one hand, it obviously needs of reflection, so the interaction and their Verstätigung in a system. Here you have already referred to it with your own comments on "standing waves". On the other hand, it requires a sufficient critical and becoming the river (maybe that was the number in field crops of people in a particular place). And finally, it requires a "trigger", very similar to the bifurcation of Prigogine. But exactly how the proceeds should be part of ur other "matches" to be!
Dear So much for today and many greetings to all your
Michael
